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    what about raw, organic, non-homogenized milk from grass fed only, cows? i have read about people who tried vegan diets & started losing their teeth, etc. 1 person who's book i read, concluded that there was some unknown factor in milk that was necessary in order to maintain a...

    MIKE posted:

    what about raw, organic, non-homogenized milk from grass fed only, cows? i have read about people who tried vegan diets & started losing their teeth, etc. 1 person who's book i read, concluded that there was some unknown factor in milk that was necessary in order to maintain a healthy skeleton.

    I think there are too many variables involved to make a judgement from "reading" about people who "tried" vegan diets & started losing their teeth, etc. I have been vegan for the past 30 years and my dental health improved since the change and still no issues in my late 60's. I know may elderly vegans with no dental losses or issues - but I know lots of people who consume milk, etc. who suffer extensive dental issues.
    Also, the need for milk in order to maintain a healthy skeleton is counter to biology; milk is not a natural food for any mammal past infancy. Then there are people, like Ruth Heidrich whose osteoporosis went away after becoming vegan. And for what it's worth, my wife and I are the only members of our extended families (in our age group) that does not suffer some sort of skeletal issue. We are the only vegans in our families.

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  • MIKE posted:

    what about raw, organic, non-homogenized milk from grass fed only, cows? i have read about people who tried vegan diets & started losing their teeth, etc. 1 person who's book i read, concluded that there was some unknown factor in milk that was necessary in order to maintain a...

    MIKE posted:

    what about raw, organic, non-homogenized milk from grass fed only, cows? i have read about people who tried vegan diets & started losing their teeth, etc. 1 person who's book i read, concluded that there was some unknown factor in milk that was necessary in order to maintain a healthy skeleton.

    I think there are too many variables involved to make a judgement from "reading" about people who "tried" vegan diets & started losing their teeth, etc. I have been vegan for the past 30 years and my dental health improved since the change and still no issues in my late 60's. I know may elderly vegans with no dental losses or issues - but I know lots of people who consume milk, etc. who suffer extensive dental issues.
    Also, the need for milk in order to maintain a healthy skeleton is counter to biology; milk is not a natural food for any mammal past infancy. Then there are people, like Ruth Heidrich whose osteoporosis went away after becoming vegan. And for what it's worth, my wife and I are the only members of our extended families (in our age group) that does not suffer some sort of skeletal issue. We are the only vegans in our families.

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  • MIKE posted:

    what about raw, organic, non-homogenized milk from grass fed only, cows? i have read about people who tried vegan diets & started losing their teeth, etc. 1 person who's book i read, concluded that there was some unknown factor in milk that was necessary in order to maintain a...

    MIKE posted:

    what about raw, organic, non-homogenized milk from grass fed only, cows? i have read about people who tried vegan diets & started losing their teeth, etc. 1 person who's book i read, concluded that there was some unknown factor in milk that was necessary in order to maintain a healthy skeleton.

    I think there are too many variables involved to make a judgement from "reading" about people who "tried" vegan diets & started losing their teeth, etc. I have been vegan for the past 30 years and my dental health improved since the change and still no issues in my late 60's. I know may elderly vegans with no dental losses or issues - but I know lots of people who consume milk, etc. who suffer extensive dental issues.
    Also, the need for milk in order to maintain a healthy skeleton is counter to biology; milk is not a natural food for any mammal past infancy. Then there are people, like Ruth Heidrich whose osteoporosis went away after becoming vegan. And for what it's worth, my wife and I are the only members of our extended families (in our age group) that does not suffer some sort of skeletal issue. We are the only vegans in our families.

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    Hi Denise,

    I would like to add that out of all the many vegans that I know, very few are dedicated to healthy eating. A large population of vegans are vegan for animal rights concerns and not for health. Most vegans that are vegan for health, seem to think that "a little bit (of something...

    Hi Denise,

    I would like to add that out of all the many vegans that I know, very few are dedicated to healthy eating. A large population of vegans are vegan for animal rights concerns and not for health. Most vegans that are vegan for health, seem to think that "a little bit (of something unhealthy) won't matter". My question is: what is "a little bit"? I see health oriented vegans often eating oil, high fats, heavily processed foods and even foods that are not entirely vegan. Many health oriented vegans still eat (what I believe to be unhealthy) foods they believe are healthy because they are advertised to be healthy; following advertising firm created terms like, "heart healthy".

    I would like to think that when connected to religion, the dedication would be a matter of belief. I have found that belief is a very powerful driving force, far more powerful than knowledge or designated supposed to's.

    I have also learned to be careful about "studies". In my career field of electronics design, studies are a routine basic element of design development. However, these studies are performed by people and people are inherently biased. It's not a choice. With that, In design engineering; testing is a required element of the study to learn what is real. In that testing, however, all variables must be accounted for and as many removed as possible, because all variables influence the result. This makes me untrusting of any study with data derived from a survey(s).

    Just my two cents,
    Ken

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  •   DiabeticDNA commented on this post about 5 months ago
    Hey Ken I would love your help if you get the time.
    I'm a 26 yr old diabetic and I've tried several methods of eating to control my blood sugar better but I haven't been able to get vegan to work for me yet though it sounds like the best option.
    From what you were saying in your post (correct me...
    Hey Ken I would love your help if you get the time.
    I'm a 26 yr old diabetic and I've tried several methods of eating to control my blood sugar better but I haven't been able to get vegan to work for me yet though it sounds like the best option.
    From what you were saying in your post (correct me if I'm wrong) you inject a long acting insulin such as lantus for example and wait for a bit and eat some fruit etc to make sure your sugar doesn't go low?
    Or are you using fast acting insulin still to cover meals and just timing it?


    Your help would be greatly appreciated to get me stepping in the right direction

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    • Hi DiabeticDNA,

      Welcome to DrCarney.com!

      I have written many blogs regarding my diabetic control method, but I have come to realize that the nature Hi DiabeticDNA,

      Welcome to DrCarney.com!

      I have written many blogs regarding my diabetic control method, but I have come to realize that the nature of blogs is just an overview, lacking real workable detail. Upon that realization along with also realizing that my method is considerably different from traditional, I have decided to write a book on the subject. I have just basically started, and it looks like it may take a while to finish. The title of my book is, "Synchronous Push-Pull Type-1 Diabetes Control - The Non-Diabetic Diabetic Method." I will be posting it on this website as a PDF download as soon as I get it finished.

      In the meantime, back to your question; my control intent is to maintain blood-sugar between 70 mg/dl (3.9 mmol/L) and 100 mg/dl (5.5mmol/L) at all times; before meals, after meals, between meals - always. I do take Lantus once per day just before bed time. The Lantus dose is adjusted to maintain a constant downward blood-sugar ramp throughout the day - between meals. I take fast-acting Humalog with each meal - and I never wait for anything. The method is predictive. I precede each meal with Humalog by a timing derived from my log. The log is a vital item in my control "tool box." The log provides a continuous prediction of insulin precede timing and dose. It provides fine-tune level tracking throughout all the variables of life. The Humalog dose is to overwhelm the meal with enough insulin to prevent any blood-sugar rise or spike. Then the predicted low (from the log) is preempted by a calibrated (from the log) fruit snack. Another vital tool is my glucometer. Lots of testing is required to track the blood-sugar direction and rate of change. Twelve tests per day is not unusual. I typically double test for each test. That is; I test twice, about fifteen minutes apart in order to predict when my blood-sugar will cross the 70 mg/dl (3.9 mmol/L) limit. This allows me to know how to time the fruit "dose" to preempt the low. I suppose a continuous glucose monitor may be helpful here, but I have no experience with that. I am happy with and tend to prefer the manual method.

      The vegan diet makes this method possible. I was never able to gain this much control when not a fat-free vegan. By the way, the fat-free part is paramount. Fat induces insulin resistance which makes the whole control effort very "spastic". Unfortunately, the "spastic" effects of animal proteins and any fats lasts for months. It took me about a year before it finally cleared. And it only takes one little taste to add another month. The long delay makes it appear that the diet doesn't work, because we expect a more immediate result. So, I'm afraid it does require a lot of diligence and patience - but it is worth every bit of the effort. Note: by fat-free, I mean no ingredient in any dish having greater than 10% calories from fat, regardless how trace the ingredient may be. I have learned that there is no such thing as a "little bit".

      My method is not for the purpose of making blood-sugar control "easy". Instead, it is to make it non-diabetic normal. The whole food plant-based fat-free diet, however, makes that effort easy - or at least possible.

      Regards,

      Ken

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